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By ucblockhead (Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 02:44:02 PM EST) (all tags)

Not the same impact everywhere. See chart inside.

It says a bit about the whole supply and demand thing. For instance, I live within five miles of one of the largest groups of refineries on the West Coast, yet I pay significantly more than the national average.

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The irony bites the wallet by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 02:46:13 PM EST

that's pretty close to Red State America.

They blame not drilling in ANWR, not drilling offshore and not having more refineries for the high prices.

Apart from Southern California by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 02:54:32 PM EST

It looks very much like the normal poverty map.

US poverty map
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And they both look like by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #5 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 03:02:43 PM EST

The population density map:

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not really by gzt (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 03:11:37 PM EST

note new england, especially around new york compared to the gas map.

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: er wait no i fail it by gzt (4.00 / 1) #7 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 03:13:09 PM EST

sorry, i've had a lot of twizzlers

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And they all look suspiciously like by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:39:51 AM EST

Those huge maps diagramming fall out patterns from a nuclear war that I used to see on the plotter when I worked for redacted.

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it's primarily urban vs. rural by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #13 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 05:27:55 PM EST

Lower incomes, longer drives, larger vehicles.

Maps with county level resolution often mask urban poverty through the wealthier surrounding communities.

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To me by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #14 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 05:36:40 PM EST

It looks more to like "if you divide income by petrol costs, it looks the same but is now a topical news item".

(Except Southern California, which is presumably near the fuel ports: there the poverty blackspot disappars on the poverty/fuel map).
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: the inflation has been rapid by cam (2.00 / 0) #15 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:01:09 PM EST

it is the rate of change IMO that is causing behavioural differences. I have noticed it, petrol went up 20c last week, while I can afford the high and noticable rate of change is making me think about my petrol consumption.
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: Fuel ports by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #19 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:43:21 PM EST

Just as many in Northern California.
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I Think by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #3 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 02:55:28 PM EST

I think we need another map to overlay that gas map.

That map should provide us with information regarding whether or not sugar cereal was consumed in a given household or not. And I don't mean the slacker/stoner "FrootLoops-For-Dinner" crowd either. I mean sugar cereal for breakfast.

There HAS to be a correlation!

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I now crave by R343L (4.00 / 1) #10 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 04:24:08 PM EST

Lucky Charms. You are a bastard.

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Heh by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 05:06:34 PM EST

I know what you mean. I don't buy Lucky Charms anymore.

I will eat THE WHOLE DAMN BOX inside of 48 hours if given free reign.

Damn marshmallows.

Gedvondur
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: Sugary cereals make me sick. by debacle (2.00 / 0) #17 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:45:31 PM EST

My diet just can't handle that much refined sugar in one go anymore.
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: Lucky Charms by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #20 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:44:21 PM EST

I used to eat them just to get back at my mother for banning them when I was a kid.
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Interesting. by nightflameblue (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 02:55:56 PM EST

Sioux Falls has a little darker purple area around it on that map, yet not that far away it turns into THE BIG ONE.

great maps. by garlic (4.00 / 1) #8 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 03:42:47 PM EST

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: Amen. $ by debacle (2.00 / 0) #18 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:46:09 PM EST

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Hunterdon County NJ by miker2 (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 04:01:56 PM EST

is also one of the wealthiest counties in the country, so seeing only 2% of income being spent on gas is kind of misleading.

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San Francisco CA by fluffy (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 04:53:18 PM EST

has some of the highest gas (and everything else) prices in the country so seeing only 2% of income being spent on it is also misleading.

(the % is brought down by having decent mass transit and average salaries being much higher)
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: i spend about 3-4% of my *net* income on gas by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #16 Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:38:23 PM EST

and i drive a hybrid ... but i also drive a ridiculous amount.

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Too bad by duxup (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:58:42 AM EST

It is too bad mass transit takes so long to get setup.
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it's too bad by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #22 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 09:27:26 AM EST

that most cities weren't forward-thinking

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It's too bad whitey fled the city by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #23 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:17:37 AM EST

rather than confront poverty and racism head on.

It's also too bad busing destroyed the cities, dang liberals.

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It's also too bad people spend time online by theboz (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:36:50 AM EST

rather than going out and doing something about all these problems instead of saying that things are too bad.
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I know, I can't do it all by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #27 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:40:15 AM EST

my daughter will be a minority in an urban high school next year.

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Not for long by theboz (2.00 / 0) #32 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:05:26 PM EST

White flight is going back into the urban area in many cities, so it's likely that within the next few years, your daughter will be surrounded by honkeys, but you'll be the poorest people there.
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: Awesome, the garbage picking will improve! by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #33 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:06:40 PM EST

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I have given up on Houston by StackyMcRacky (2.00 / 0) #28 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:40:41 AM EST

which sucks in some respects, but for the most part people here just don't care.

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I've learned something by theboz (2.00 / 0) #31 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:03:49 PM EST

Everywhere is great, and everywhere sucks. While you might be able to find somewhere you like better for a while, sooner or later you'll find something to hate about it. That's not to say that you all shouldn't go elsewhere, because I'm a big fan of moving around and experiencing different ways of living. I just hope that you all have the realization that wherever you go, you'll likely face similar issues (not including family issues) or find that the place sucks worse. If clock can get at least a quarter of a million a year, I'd strongly suggest moving to California. I like both Southern California and the San Francisco area, although people from each area seem to hate the other (almost like a Houston vs. Dallas thing.)
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: our move by StackyMcRacky (2.00 / 0) #34 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:19:01 PM EST

yeah, there's something to hate everywhere. we're not expecting some kind of magic bullet.
honestly, the biggest reason for our moving is more along the lines of "we're big surfers, but we currently live in Kansas" type of deal.

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obviously we're talking about different cities by StackyMcRacky (2.00 / 0) #25 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:39:22 AM EST

cuz only whitey can afford to live in mine

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: It's more of a rustbelt thing I think by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #29 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:41:38 AM EST

Houston was probably a lot smaller in the 70's.

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Especially by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #30 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 11:42:11 AM EST

In spread out, Western style cities.

I am fairly convinced that one reason why the Bay Area and New York have those dark purple blocks while LA does not is because the Bay Area and New York both have good mass transit.

I spend less than 1% of my income on gas...but I spend more than 3% on mass transit.
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Hoover dam by R343L (4.00 / 1) #35 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:02:35 PM EST

Was generating electricity in 4 years. The Golden Gate bridge was built in 4 years. The first transcontinental railroad only took ten years (granted built on the back of near-slaves, but free men would work harder, right?) The SF transbay tube took less than a decade (for tube and building of rails, electrical work, etc.) The Millau Viaduct took all of four years to build.

Big construction projects only take a long time when we lack will to devote the thought, leadership, money, manpower and time to it. These are all things that can be found.

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Construction by duxup (2.00 / 0) #36 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:27:21 PM EST

I think it helps when there is jack squat there to begin with.
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True by R343L (2.00 / 0) #37 Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:44:43 PM EST

But I have no problem with use of eminent domain to get some decent transit built in areas that don't have it. It seems a perfectly good use of the power.

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Same here by duxup (2.00 / 0) #38 Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:18:49 AM EST

I'm all for some government oppression and land grabbing (not being sarcastic there). I've got a county road near me that NEEDs to be bigger. The county and city need more land to fix, enlarge, improve it (sidewalks thank goodness!). Some longtime holdouts made a big deal in the paper about how they're going to fight bla bla bla.

Lucky for us here eminent domain still reigns supreme when it comes to land for public use and the city preemptively has condemned the land they want while they negotiate. In other words We will come to an agreement because those construction trucks we have parked on your land... are now on our land.

I know some people can get screwed, I think that sucks, but damn it stuff has to get done.
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Emminent domain by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #40 Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:09:23 AM EST

The big trouble is that given land prices in the Bay Area, paying "fair market value" for, say, a BART line down the peninsula, would be massively expensive.
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: Meh by R343L (2.00 / 0) #42 Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:20:25 AM EST

I did say "money". :)

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Bridges by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #39 Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:07:57 AM EST

And yet replacing half the span of the Bay Bridge (originally built in less than 4 years) has already taken over a decade, depending on how you count.

A lot of the big works were done in the Depression, though, when labor was cheap. With luck, we'll be in that position again!
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: I am not sure ... by R343L (2.00 / 0) #41 Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:20:01 AM EST

It seems like part of the bay bridge is incompetence. See the Millau Viaduct.

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